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51 Days left and apparently the world is ending on Saturday. So I guess we should make these last couple of blogs count. In case you haven't heard, this may be a US specific thing, someone and his people are claiming the bible says that the world is ending on Saturday. There are billboards everywhere.

This has been quite the topic with people around here today so it was only a matter of time 'til it turned into a blog topic. I was talking to my mother about it and she said something about not worrying about the end of the world because everyone dies eventually. I said I was worried because I don't want to die ever. I said it just like that and I meant it, I want to live forever. Then we got into the argument about the virtues of living forever. She thought there comes a point when quality of life deteriorates so much that you are better off dead. I am the person who never ever wants to die, hook me up to life support, freeze me in the Hub morgue, don't let me go!

This of course all got me thinking of Jack, who can't die (or stay dead - Face of Boe theories excluded). Unlike regular humans Jack ages very very slowly so quality of life really isn't even on his radar yet, but Jack considers his Fixed Point Predicament (FPP) to be a curse. The trouble with living forever in Jack's opinion is mainly the issue of outliving others. He lives on as he watches everyone he loves die. That is certainly a drawback but really now Jack? I feel like he's being a bit silly about this. He still gets the same amount of time as anyone else does with the people they love he just has more time after, he has time to move on. Maybe because I've never been in love I don't understand the impulse to want to die when your partner dies. I get being sad but not wanting to live? Seems extreme.

And think of all the benefits! You could do everything! You could go on long enough and save enough money to accomplish whatever you want. You could learn hundreds of trades. Ha, Jack of all trades, that's funny. You could try every restaurant, visit every country, get degrees in everything. It sounds ideal. I'm 25 and a quarter of my life is gone, that's 25 years I am behind in accomplishing any new goal, but if Jack has anything new he wants to try he has all the time in the world. It's the same argument that comes up with a lot of vampire stories, the burden of immortality. But vampires have the issue of remaining inconspicuous, creating new identities and so on, Jack has Torchwood, he's permanently covered in the government paper department. Just saying.

In Torchwood: Miracle Day everyone becomes (I'm assuming temporarily) made immortal and I'm sure Jack is going to get in a huff about it, even if he's also happy to not be alone anymore. I don't think it's gonna go so far that he even has time to think about it, it'll be solved in like a week. But what do you guys think? If Miracle Day really happened and discounting obvious issues like overpopulation and not being able to heal would it be a good thing? Would you want to live forever? Are there more drawbacks or benefits? xx

<3Dana

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Ann
05/18/2011 19:55

'A quarter of your life is gone'...well that statement really makes you ponder does it not. I mean when on stands upon the corner of that threshold you have to take a step back and look.

I recently myself had a moment in which I needed to look at the life that I had. To see and ponder what and who I am. Have I done everything that I need or sought to do. To look at those that live and that you share you life with.

But to know that one could live completely, to see the advancement of the human race. Would that truly be a wonderful thing? One must think about the state that the human race is headed and if that will advance and improve over time.

In time will we learn to love the one beside us as we love ourselves. Will we place someone before us, for the sheer reason that in that moment need something more than you. Can humans pause and elect to not make a moment or demand that the world view them? Those my dear readers are the questions one must ask.

Yes, you would stay as you are and lose those that you love and care for. See the things that you treasure fall away to the side of the path.

But above all of those questions and thoughts, you have to have faith and hope. Anne Frank once said 'Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart'. Perhaps in one is to live forever, they must take that single quote to heart.

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Ann
05/18/2011 19:55

'A quarter of your life is gone'...well that statement really makes you ponder does it not. I mean when on stands upon the corner of that threshold you have to take a step back and look.

I recently myself had a moment in which I needed to look at the life that I had. To see and ponder what and who I am. Have I done everything that I need or sought to do. To look at those that live and that you share you life with.

But to know that one could live completely, to see the advancement of the human race. Would that truly be a wonderful thing? One must think about the state that the human race is headed and if that will advance and improve over time.

In time will we learn to love the one beside us as we love ourselves. Will we place someone before us, for the sheer reason that in that moment need something more than you. Can humans pause and elect to not make a moment or demand that the world view them? Those my dear readers are the questions one must ask.

Yes, you would stay as you are and lose those that you love and care for. See the things that you treasure fall away to the side of the path.

But above all of those questions and thoughts, you have to have faith and hope. Anne Frank once said 'Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart'. Perhaps in one is to live forever, they must take that single quote to heart,

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Ann
05/18/2011 19:56

'A quarter of your life is gone'...well that statement really makes you ponder does it not. I mean when on stands upon the corner of that threshold you have to take a step back and look. I recently myself had a moment in which I needed to look at the life that I had. To see and ponder what and who I am. Have I done everything that I need or sought to do. To look at those that live and that you share you life with.But to know that one could live completely, to see the advancement of the human race. Would that truly be a wonderful thing? One must think about the state that the human race is headed and if that will advance and improve over time. In time will we learn to love the one beside us as we love ourselves. Will we place someone before us, for the sheer reason that in that moment need something more than you. Can humans pause and elect to not make a moment or demand that the world view them? Those my dear readers are the questions one must ask. Yes, you would stay as you are and lose those that you love and care for. See the things that you treasure fall away to the side of the path.
But above all of those questions and thoughts, you have to have faith and hope. Anne Frank once said 'Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart'. Perhaps in one is to live forever, they must take that single quote to heart.

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Ann
05/18/2011 19:58

'A quarter of your life is gone'...well that statement really makes you ponder does it not. I mean when on stands upon the corner of that threshold you have to take a step back and look.

I recently myself had a moment in which I needed to look at the life that I had. To see and ponder what and who I am. Have I done everything that I need or sought to do. To look at those that live and that you share you life with.

But to know that one could live completely, to see the advancement of the human race. Would that truly be a wonderful thing? One must think about the state that the human race is headed and if that will advance and improve over time.

In time will we learn to love the one beside us as we love ourselves. Will we place someone before us, for the sheer reason that in that moment need something more than you. Can humans pause and elect to not make a moment or demand that the world view them? Those my dear readers are the questions one must ask.

Yes, you would stay as you are and lose those that you love and care for. See the things that you treasure fall away to the side of the path.

But above all of those questions and thoughts, you have to have faith and hope. Anne Frank once said 'Despite everything, I believe that people are really good at heart'. Perhaps in one is to live forever, they must take that single quote to heart,

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Jenni (LilFerret)
05/18/2011 22:17

There is a major flaw in that line of thinking. One of The Beatles was once quoted, when asked why he'd slept with men as well as women, as saying something along the lines of if you have everything you want, what else is there? It's why we aspire to do things. If I knew I could do anything I wanted I'd get bored extremely fast. I really would.

I wouldn't want to live forever. And I certainly won't be living on life support. That DNR will be signed shortly. There is so much I want to do, but I would have no dreams, no ambition, if I knew I could do it all. There'd be no goals. I wouldn't need them. Would you even care about your college degree if you knew you'd outlive everyone who knew you didn't yet have one? Probably not.

I take Jack's "FPP" as simply being that he was meant to serve a purpose. Once he did, he was able to die, because his body (or lack thereof) eventually wore out. Just far slower than the rest of us.

And having friends and lovers die before you? It's miserable. I've had friends die of illness, and I've watched my Grandmother see all her friends die before her. She had no one left. It's not easy to make new "lifelong" friendships in your 80s. It's not like you can just replace those people with others.

And in Jack's case he was never able to stay with the people he loved because they would age and he would not (perceptively). They would resent him, as you get a glimpse of in Ianto's speech in The Dead Line. It also breeds insecurity in others. Why should you stick around, you have forever?

It's a tricky subject, for sure, but as much as the human mind tells us to live, we're all raised with the knowledge that it's finite. Some choose to check out early and that's a damned shame. But I, for one, and happy to make the most of the time I have, and leave something wonderful for the next generation.

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